Embarrassment corner
It’s the sound all magazine publishers dread: the smug tap of ACP’s Paul Dykzeul’s keyboard as he relishes the moment to rub your nose in the sand. Ouch!
Says Dykzeul: “ACP Magazines are proud to have provided the latest cover for NZ Life and Leisure, produced by their close friends at Fairfax Magazines, who have used a Photo NZ image for their latest issue September/October 09 issue.
“The same image was used on the cover of ACP’s KiaOra, the Air New Zealand in-flight magazine, in February 2008.”
Latest developments here.
Jonathan Vegas
September 1, 2009
The flipside perhaps is that nobody was paying attention to KiaOra, and that’s why nobody noticed?
Annabel McAleer
September 1, 2009
Still, at least Life & Leisure got their colours right. Poor girl looks like an Ooompa Loompa on KiaOra.
Vincent Heeringa
September 1, 2009
I don’t think Oompa Loompas come in the female variety, do they? If they did would they be called Bumpy Lumpies?
Su Yin Khoo
September 1, 2009
To be fair, Photo NZ should have informed Life&Leisure that the stock image has been used as a cover image before.
cookie
September 1, 2009
A completely unprofessional and embarrassing cock up from photonz. L&L should be asking for a full refund and some.
Sam Wilson
September 1, 2009
I can never understand why publishers bother to deal with such a sloppy outfit (Photo NZ) when there are far superior online NZ libraries available now. PhotoNZ images always look so bland and boring. Unless of course Photo NZ heavily discount their shots which would explain a lot. The old adage “you get what you pay for” is very apt in this game.
Gregg
September 1, 2009
Hi Sam, interested to know the online libraries you would recommend
Cheers
Rob Lile
September 1, 2009
Hello Mischievous Competitor (quite obviously Emma at Canvas and/or ‘colleagues’. Methinks you should be aware of full facts before making comment. There is no cockup at all with photonewzealand. I know your businesses VERY well and you should be careful with any comments re ‘sloppyness’, knowing your capabilities (or lack thereof) for data integrity as I do. Obviously the good folks at ACP and Fairfax do not think photonewzealand is ‘bland or boring’ … Just who are these ‘superior NZ libraries’? Best. Rob Lile, Director, photonewzealand
Sam Wilson II
September 2, 2009
Woah, very nasty unprofessional comments there Rob. You’re making very big accusations and a petty threat. Why don’t you give us the full facts then. If it was a rights managed image then PhotoNZ should have informed a competitor! Sam
Rob Lile
September 2, 2009
‘Sam’ – I think you need to take a look in the mirror re ‘nasty unprofessional comments’ … full information as to how this occurred will be disclosed in due course – I don’t hide behind anonymous handles as you try to. It would have been nice if Stop Press had checked with Fairfax and photonewzealand prior to running this and allowing others to try to make ‘petty’ mileage out of it. Anyhow you haven’t answered Gregg … I’ll do it for you – there’s http://www.focusnzphoto.co.nz, http://www.mychillybin.co.nz, http://www.davidwallphotos.co.nz oh and http://www.canvass.co.nz – probably others out there too. Regards Rob
Emma Williams
September 2, 2009
This is just bad business, and nothing to do with myself or Canvass. Editor should be moderating this blog.
Matt Cooney
September 2, 2009
Moderate? It’s just getting interesting!
Su Yin Khoo
September 2, 2009
I can vouch for both Emma from Canvass and Kathryn from PhotoNZ for helping me out in regards to stock photo enquiries.
@Sam: case studies or it didn’t happen
@Rob: I understand that you have to defend your position when coming under fire but I don’t think that accusatory comment came across as being professional either
Adam
September 2, 2009
surely they could have found 2 different photos showing a girl on a swing…? no excuses in my book. Take responsibility and move on, theres far bigger ‘issues’ to worry about.
Ray Sanford
September 2, 2009
Doesn’t it depend on what rights they purchased? If neither bought exclusive rights, what’s the problem?
David Wall
September 2, 2009
There are tens of thousands of high quality New Zealand images online, on user friendly websites that have been put together by very skilled – no, make that enormouslty skilled – web designers (eh Matt?)
David Wall
September 2, 2009
Rob – you got our web address and link wrong – it should be
http://www.davidwallphoto.com
Vincent Heeringa
September 2, 2009
Emma, thanks for the comments and for your suggestion about moderation.
We’ve decided to carry on with the open forum for two reasons:
- the discussion is self managing (your comments in particular have been helpful)
- there’s nothing defamatory so far
Our overall approach is to leave the discussion as open as possible and let it self manage towards clarity. Turning comments on or off takes on editorial responsibility that we don’t necessarily want.
That said, we’re keeping a close eye on it for offensiveness and egregious name-calling.
Rob, Sam, I know you are hot about this matter but please keep it seemly. We’re all grown ups here. Well some of us are, I think.
Boyd Wason
September 2, 2009
This was the only article that looked interesting enough to open, and what a gold mine of discussion it turned out to be – Life and Dead in Advertising. Having advised clients on the pro’s and con’s of open forums for many years I look forward to watching these discussions elevate offline – take care of what you say, it’s on display!
Loving having a really digital marketing arena already – great work.
Boyd Wason, Tango.
Travis
September 2, 2009
Some good lessons here. We use a focus group to help us select covers (thanks “cover girls”). I hope they are well read and spot if we’re following and not leading!
Congratulations Vincent on both the site and Marketing Magazine. You are doing an awesome job. Instead of buying another magazine we’ve bought a bar instead (natural for publishers!) Catch you for a beer soon at No.1 Queen St, the “Glass Box” in QE II Square (you too Boyd, it’s been a while)
Travis – http://www.peoplepublishing.co.nz
Simon Young
September 2, 2009
Amen to what Boyd said. So good to have a forum – and a lively one at that – for NZ marketers and suppliers.
Boyd Wason
September 2, 2009
I think you can blame others all you like but the buck must stop with editor who didn’t see what should have been a pretty obvious situation given they’re in the same category and published so close together.
Travis and Bar ownership – look forward to see the outcome of this union!!
Was that an open invitation to all in the industry.
Boyd – Tango
Leighton Howl
September 2, 2009
I think you always going to get cross over. It happens. It is a very very common visual.
Su Yin Khoo
September 2, 2009
@Boyd: I disagree. Yes, there should be some responsibility with the editor/art director/publisher/team but Kia Ora is not on newsstands and (or?) to subscribe so it will be hard to keep up with all their covers, no?
cookie
September 3, 2009
Storm in a teacup really, embarrassing over-reaction from Rob Lile of Photonewzealand.
Glenda Wynyard
September 4, 2009
Don’t you think that this is only relevant to the advertising and publishing industries? I don’t think anyone buying or reading the magazines will remember Kia Ora versus NZ Life & Leisure … if that was the case then the women’s weekly market would never survive; how many of those are the same every week?
Jay R
September 6, 2009
This is hilarious. Whatever happened, ‘Rob Lile’ has come across incredibly unprofessional, I almost feel embarrassed for him and his poor staff. Any company would do well to steer clear of anything he has an invested interest in.
bj
September 8, 2009
Wow! February 08 was 19 months ago! Let it go Paul… ACP obviously never purchased an exclusivity on that image and why would Photonewzealand be at fault? and for that matter Fairfax? Does any traveller or anyone remember the Feb 08 issue of Kia Ora? I doubt it… total mountain out of a molehill with far too much banter! (in my humble opinion) :-)
habadashry
September 8, 2009
Jeez, does no-one care about the kid? Did the kid get paid twice and doesn’t this cast up a human rights question – should adults be able to use their kids as models without their (rational) consent? But hey we are the nation that is delighted to smack them. So maybe scrap that, let’s smack them, then photograph them and slap their photograph on any media channel that’s willing to pay.
Andre Dromgool
September 11, 2009
This situation happens often – especially with images from overseas libraries. Once my front cover pic ended up being used in an ad within the publication and we had to change it for example. I agree with Glenda that most readers would be unaware of the repetition – how many L&L readers will remember Kia Ora from almost two years ago anyway? We use photo libraries in the knowledge that the images they sell aren’t exclusive to the purchaser – the business model wouldn’t work otherwise.
Rob Suisted
September 24, 2009
Just got back from overseas and found this!
If this was a ‘Rights Managed’ image then I think the agency MUST warn buyers of previous sales in a similar industry sector.
It’s something we’ve always done as a matter of principle at http://www.naturespic.co.nz / http://www.naturespic.com. & I believe it’s vital in a quality industry people can trust in.
Otherwise, flog your images at ‘Rights Free’ rates but let customers know the risks they face. I wonder what terms it was licenced under? Regards, Rob
MCB
February 5, 2010
Ouch! What every discerning editor dreads! How did this slip by the other scrutineers? The editor is not the only tick in the box.